[EmData] can't-change-character-styles error

[Joe Mathia - Em Support]

Hi David,

Ah, you're using InDesign/InData.  InDesign/InData is a LOT less forgiving
than QuarkXPress/Xdata with this particular error, and a lot more prone to
it.

Since Xdata/InData assigns styling solely based on the styling of the
Xdata/InData statement, the statement must carry the same styling attributes
throughout:  from the beginning chevron through the final closing
chevron/paragraph return.

The difficulty with InDesign is that many attributes that are paragraph
attributes in QuarkXpress, such as leading and tracking, are, by default,
character attributes in InDesign.

So, you could have subtle attribute changes at the character level that are
invisible at the paragraph level.  Place your type tool cursor at the
beginning of the statement and arrow through it, watching the leading,
tracking, etc. values.  Chances are that you'll see a blip.

This is most often caused by copying and pasting to create statements.

And, even trying to force a re-styling (shift+option/alt) doesn't remove all
of the attribute vestiges left behind.

I'm afraid that the most reliable fix is to indeed re-type the entire
offending statement, and then deleting the old one.

InDesign does give a lot more power than Quark in this regard, but this is
the price we have to pay.  I'm interested to see how Quark 8 behaves in this
regard...


Regards,

Joe Mathia
Em Software Support / support at emsoftware.com / www.emsoftware.com
(+1) 740 284 1010, fax (+1) 740 284 1210




On 8/1/08 3:21 PM, "David Earls" <david.earls at benefitstatement.com> wrote:

> Might have REPLIED incompletely -
> 
> This error occurs with specific fonts, and when it does occur, it cannot
> be corrected in the manner you described. The only solution is to
> re-type the entire statement and delete the offending statement. We have
> had this problem since InData 2/InDesign 2 when using Linotype Bembo.
> 
> Thankfully, this error only occurs when editing an existing prototype
> command. 
> 
> BTW, we have also encountered other font-related issues with InData,
> most commonly when using Windows fonts from House Industries (which,
> unfortunately, a lot of designers LOVE).
> 
> __________________
> David Earls
> BenefitStatement.com
> 816/444-5202
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: data-users-bounces at emsoftware.com
> [mailto:data-users-bounces at emsoftware.com] On Behalf Of Emma Glaisher
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: a hyorth; data-users at emsoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [EmData] can't-change-character-styles error
> 
> 
> Use your cursor to select the whole statement, including the opening and
> closing chevrons. It must all be in the same font, same size, same style
> etc. You will find that something is different.
> 
> I like this error as it is usually the easiest sort to fix!
> 
> 
> on 01.08.2008 16:56, a hyorth at ahyorth at abr-nc.com wrote:
> 
>> I'm getting the error message "You can't change character styles here,
> 
>> inside an Xdata statement." I know what that means but ...... the
>> error keeps sending me back to the same place in the prototype, and
>> there has been no change in style or character at that point or any
>> other point in the prototype.
>> 
>> So is there another reason why I keep getting the error message?
>> 
>> alphie hyorth
>> art director
>> Real Estate Weekly
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>> Asheville, NC  28801
>> 828-255-8505 ext. 19
>> ahyorth at abr-nc.com
>> 
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