From andrewb at ch1.com.au Wed Apr 18 01:55:37 2007 From: andrewb at ch1.com.au (Andrew Bischoff) Date: Wed Apr 18 01:55:16 2007 Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel Message-ID: Hi All, I export my data from filemaker to excel and then use it in Indata, my problem is I have "carriage returns" or/and "manual line breaks" in some fields but when they past through Excel they change to a square symbol ( I think its Chr(10) ) and Indata doesn't reconise them anymore. I know I can manual put in returns via ALT+ENTER and Indata can see them , but how can I get it to reconise the return automatically. Any thoughts?? Andrew B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070418/f80011e0/attachment.html From emma.glaisher at fourninety.com Wed Apr 18 04:44:42 2007 From: emma.glaisher at fourninety.com (Emma Glaisher) Date: Wed Apr 18 04:44:48 2007 Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can you do something along the lines of get offset of Chr(10) in field, if it?s greater than 0 (i.e. there is one) then do the characters up to the offset, then put in a return, then do the characters after the offset ? It?s going to be a bit cumbersome and messy... Is there no way you can automatically replace them in Excel before it even hits InData? Emma on 18.04.2007 06:55, Andrew Bischoff at andrewb@ch1.com.au wrote: > > Hi All, > > I export my data from filemaker to excel and then use it in Indata, my problem > is I have ?carriage returns? or/and ?manual line breaks? in some fields but > when they past through Excel they change to a square symbol ( I think its > Chr(10) ) and Indata doesn?t reconise them anymore. > > I know I can manual put in returns via ALT+ENTER and Indata can see them , but > how can I get it to reconise the return automatically. > > Any thoughts?? > > Andrew B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070418/9af15476/attachment.html From didier.mombrun at knowlink.net Wed Apr 18 08:46:37 2007 From: didier.mombrun at knowlink.net (Didier Mombrun) Date: Wed Apr 18 08:46:31 2007 Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94459E75-30C3-4F45-BE0F-8452AA1BF360@knowlink.net> Hello The problem is the export from FileMaker that generate a special (ctrl-K 11(0x0B)) caracter for all the return into a field to translate all the caracter before or after an export from Excel or FileMaker I use the Text-Edit plus software that help you to replace each field return into an "LF" and preserve the field separator with "tab" and ligne separator with "CR" http://www.tex-edit.com/ Didier M Le 18 avr. 07 ? 07:55, Andrew Bischoff a ?crit : > > > Hi All, > > > > I export my data from filemaker to excel and then use it in Indata, > my problem is I have ?carriage returns? or/and ?manual line > breaks? in some fields but when they past through Excel they > change to a square symbol ( I think its Chr(10) ) and Indata > doesn?t reconise them anymore. > > > > I know I can manual put in returns via ALT+ENTER and Indata can see > them , but how can I get it to reconise the return automatically. > > > > Any thoughts?? > > > > Andrew B > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Data-users mailing list > Data-users@emsoftware.com > http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users Didier Mombrun M+33 (0)6 08 61 38 60 T+33 (0)4 76 00 09 15 www.marketing-hotspot.com Solutions collaboratives pour agences et marketers 56, boulevard Davout 75020 Paris, France -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070418/20934446/attachment-0001.html From prepress at sirspeedy6440.com Wed Apr 18 09:16:22 2007 From: prepress at sirspeedy6440.com (Sir Speedy Prepress) Date: Wed Apr 18 09:16:14 2007 Subject: [EmData] Please remove me from your list. prepress@sirspeedy6440.com Message-ID: <2ABC3CC3-2FDA-45E5-9129-E5F3CEE7D28F@sirspeedy6440.com> Please remove me from your list. prepress@sirspeedy6440.com From support at emsoftware.com Wed Apr 18 11:33:52 2007 From: support at emsoftware.com (Em Software Support) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:33:59 2007 Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Emma and Andrew, Yes, you could do that, bit one would need to do it in a recursive sort of repeating loop, as there could be any number of repeats in the field. Or, you could do something along the lines of: ?repeat with counter = 1 to length(fieldName)? ?if char counter of fieldName contains numtochar(10)? ? ?else? ?char counter of fieldName? ?endif? ?end repeat?? The bigger problem that I am seeing is that InDesign (both CS and CS2) are not recognizing the vertical tab that FileMaker is using in the repeated fields. If they were, one could simply set the InData data preference to turn a Vertical Tab into a Return. Nor will Excel let you enter or even paste that character into a search/replace dialog. I have a call into a couple of FileMaker gurus. I?ll let you know what they say. Regards, Joe Mathia Em Software Support / support@emsoftware.com / www.emsoftware.com (+1) 740 284 1010, fax (+1) 740 284 1210 On 4/18/07 3:44 AM, "Emma Glaisher" wrote: > Can you do something along the lines of > > get offset of Chr(10) in field, if it?s greater than 0 (i.e. there is one) > then do the characters up to the offset, then put in a return, then do the > characters after the offset ? > > It?s going to be a bit cumbersome and messy... Is there no way you can > automatically replace them in Excel before it even hits InData? > > Emma > > > on 18.04.2007 06:55, Andrew Bischoff at andrewb@ch1.com.au wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I export my data from filemaker to excel and then use it in Indata, my >> problem is I have ?carriage returns? or/and ?manual line breaks? in some >> fields but when they past through Excel they change to a square symbol ( I >> think its Chr(10) ) and Indata doesn?t reconise them anymore. >> >> I know I can manual put in returns via ALT+ENTER and Indata can see them , >> but how can I get it to reconise the return automatically. >> >> Any thoughts?? >> >> Andrew B >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Data-users mailing list > Data-users@emsoftware.com > http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070418/e460d127/attachment.html From support at emsoftware.com Wed Apr 18 11:55:18 2007 From: support at emsoftware.com (Em Software Support) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:55:24 2007 Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel References: Message-ID: <0e2201c781d1$f9754a70$1401a8c0@Scylla> Andrew-- It sounds like you're running into the odd situation where Excel converts carriage returns to line-feeds. We address this "feature" in our most recent beta, available for download from http://www.emsoftware.com/products/indata/beta/ with a change to InData's Data Preferences panel. (See the 2nd bullet under "Changes since beta 1" at that URL for a description.) Try changing the new "Line feed in data becomes" setting from "Nothing" to "Return" and see if that helps. Caveat: documents saved with this beta of InData installed will complain when opened with a previous version of InData. This behavior is subject to change in a future release; please see our beta software notes for details... a link is available from the "beta software" link on the beta downloads page. Cheers! --- Chris Roueche / Em Software Support / support@emsoftware.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Bischoff" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:55 PM Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel Hi All, I export my data from filemaker to excel and then use it in Indata, my problem is I have "carriage returns" or/and "manual line breaks" in some fields but when they past through Excel they change to a square symbol ( I think its Chr(10) ) and Indata doesn't reconise them anymore. I know I can manual put in returns via ALT+ENTER and Indata can see them , but how can I get it to reconise the return automatically. Any thoughts?? Andrew B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Data-users mailing list > Data-users@emsoftware.com > http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users > From andrewb at ch1.com.au Wed Apr 18 21:39:59 2007 From: andrewb at ch1.com.au (Andrew Bischoff) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:39:49 2007 Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel[MESSAGE NOT SCANNED] Message-ID: Thanks for all of the great suggestions, the response was great. I overcame the problem using a variety of ideas. First I made filemaker export the file as an .xls rather than a .tab file, this kept the returns intake. But then I had " " quotes at the start and finish of the final indesign text So I used the below code to remove the offending quotes and its all done To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:55 PM Subject: [EmData] INDATA - using manual line breaks from Excel Hi All, I export my data from filemaker to excel and then use it in Indata, my problem is I have "carriage returns" or/and "manual line breaks" in some fields but when they past through Excel they change to a square symbol ( I think its Chr(10) ) and Indata doesn't reconise them anymore. I know I can manual put in returns via ALT+ENTER and Indata can see them , but how can I get it to reconise the return automatically. Any thoughts?? Andrew B ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > Data-users mailing list > Data-users@emsoftware.com > http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users > From agrant at Artcraft.com Fri Apr 20 09:43:48 2007 From: agrant at Artcraft.com (Ariana Grant) Date: Fri Apr 20 09:44:23 2007 Subject: [EmData] eliminating blank returns? Message-ID: <888A3CE1E931C945A313D6C5FAEB600C1A40FA@EXCHANGE1.Artcraft2007.com> I'm using Xdata for yet another bcd layout. (as a newbie) the 4 phone numbers are optional when phone 1 and 4 are there and not 2 or 3 (or any combination of) the copy has two blank lines for 2 and 3 and then phone 4 where there should just be... phone1 phone4 NOT phone1 Phone4 am I missing a command? here is my prototype " ?fields first, middle, last, suffix, title, title2, address1, address2, address3, email, tel, cell, tollfree, fax, aolim ?first? ?if middle??middle??endif? ?last??if suffix?, ?suffix??endif? ?title?, ?if title2??title2??endif? ?email? ?address1? ?address2? ?address3? T:??tel? ?if cell?C: ?cell? ?endif??if tollfree?T:??tollfree? ?endif??if fax?F: ?fax? ?endif??if aolim?AIM: ?aolim? ?endif? " thanks for any help ariana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070420/6536c89c/attachment.html From support at emsoftware.com Fri Apr 20 10:43:06 2007 From: support at emsoftware.com (Em Software Support) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:43:10 2007 Subject: [EmData] eliminating blank returns? In-Reply-To: <888A3CE1E931C945A313D6C5FAEB600C1A40FA@EXCHANGE1.Artcraft2007.com> Message-ID: Hi Ariana, Your prototype looks like it ought to work, if those fields are indeed empty. However, if the ?empty? fields aren?t really empty, but might contain, say, a space character of some sort, the conditionals will fail. So, you might want to use the trim() function in your statements. Also, I always use ?if fieldname is not empty? rather than just ?if fieldname?. So, something like: T:??tel? ?if trim(cell) is not empty?C: ?cell? ?endif??if trim(tollfree) is not empty?T:??tollfree? ?endif??if trim(fax) is not empty?F: ?fax? ?endif??if trim(aolim) is not empty?AIM: ?aolim? ?endif? Does this help? Regards, Joe Mathia Em Software Support / support@emsoftware.com / www.emsoftware.com (+1) 740 284 1010, fax (+1) 740 284 1210 On 4/20/07 8:43 AM, "Ariana Grant" wrote: > > > I'm using Xdata for yet another bcd layout. (as a newbie) > the 4 phone numbers are optional > when phone 1 and 4 are there and not 2 or 3 (or any combination of) > the copy has two blank lines for 2 and 3 > and then phone 4 > where there should just be... > > phone1 > phone4 > > NOT > > phone1 > > Phone4 > > > am I missing a command? > here is my prototype > " > ?fields first, middle, last, suffix, title, title2, address1, address2, > address3, email, tel, cell, tollfree, fax, aolim > ?first? ?if middle??middle??endif? ?last??if suffix?, ?suffix??endif? > ?title?, ?if title2??title2??endif? > ?email? > ?address1? > ?address2? > ?address3? > > T:??tel? > ?if cell?C: ?cell? > ?endif??if tollfree?T:??tollfree? > ?endif??if fax?F: ?fax? > ?endif??if aolim?AIM: ?aolim? > ?endif? > " > > thanks for any help > ariana > > > _______________________________________________ > Data-users mailing list > Data-users@emsoftware.com > http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070420/41e2a6cd/attachment.html From emma.glaisher at fourninety.com Fri Apr 20 10:44:43 2007 From: emma.glaisher at fourninety.com (Emma Glaisher) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:44:50 2007 Subject: [EmData] eliminating blank returns? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I too was thinking it was caused by spaces in apparently empty fields, but then surely Ariana would get: T:? F: - not empty lines? Emma on 20.04.2007 15:43, Em Software Support at support@emsoftware.com wrote: > Hi Ariana, > > Your prototype looks like it ought to work, if those fields are indeed empty. > However, if the ?empty? fields aren?t really empty, but might contain, say, a > space character of some sort, the conditionals will fail. So, you might want > to use the trim() function in your statements. Also, I always use ?if > fieldname is not empty? rather than just ?if fieldname?. So, something like: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070420/2976a837/attachment-0001.html From dwilliams at e-stationery.com Fri Apr 20 12:40:36 2007 From: dwilliams at e-stationery.com (Debi Williams) Date: Fri Apr 20 12:40:46 2007 Subject: [EmData] eliminating blank returns? In-Reply-To: <888A3CE1E931C945A313D6C5FAEB600C1A40FA@EXCHANGE1.Artcraft2007.com> Message-ID: Hi Ariana One simple thing you might want to try is to move your conditional statements up before the hard return on the line above. For example: T:??tel??if cell? C: ?cell??endif??if tollfree? T:??tollfree??endif??if fax? F: ?fax??endif??if aolim? AIM: ?aolim??endif? I believe this will produce the results you are looking for. Best of luck! Debi _______________________________________________ Data-users mailing list Data-users@emsoftware.com http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emsoftware.com/pipermail/data-users/attachments/20070420/0d5ff481/attachment.html From monkeycitto at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 04:19:59 2007 From: monkeycitto at gmail.com (Jose Caceres) Date: Fri Apr 27 04:20:01 2007 Subject: [EmData] Carriage Returns Message-ID: <1824e470704270119k71e46cffj8304f50bad60c35@mail.gmail.com> Im having trouble with the CSV document and carriage Returns. Some records have Carriage returns in them, what happens is the data gets all jumbled up when is imported into indesign cs. I dont want to remove the Carriage returns. What would be the appropriate setting for the Data Preference Panel. Cheers From support at emsoftware.com Fri Apr 27 10:43:02 2007 From: support at emsoftware.com (Em Software Support) Date: Fri Apr 27 10:43:02 2007 Subject: [EmData] Carriage Returns In-Reply-To: <1824e470704270119k71e46cffj8304f50bad60c35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jose, In order for returns within a field to be regarded as part of the text string, rather than a record delimiter, each field must be surrounded by text qualifiers. In a true .csv file, these are double quotes. Data would look like this (note that the text qualifiers allow commas within a field, as well): "Smith","Bob","12345 N Wombat","Walla Walla","Washington"? "Jones","Amy","432 Monkeybars Ln, Apt. 6","Dallas","Texas"? "Brown","James","222 Blues St.? Fourth Floor","Hollywood","California"? Does this help? Regards, Joe Mathia Em Software Support / support@emsoftware.com / www.emsoftware.com (+1) 740 284 1010, fax (+1) 740 284 1210 On 4/27/07 3:19 AM, "Jose Caceres" wrote: > Im having trouble with the CSV document and carriage Returns. Some > records have Carriage returns in them, what happens is the data gets > all jumbled up when is imported into indesign cs. I dont want to > remove the Carriage returns. What would be the appropriate setting for > the Data Preference Panel. > > Cheers > _______________________________________________ > Data-users mailing list > Data-users@emsoftware.com > http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users > >