From babrahams at countdowncard.com Wed Oct 18 06:53:01 2006 From: babrahams at countdowncard.com (Barry Abrahams) Date: Wed Oct 18 06:54:21 2006 Subject: [EmData] Auto 'force to next column' - Xdata/Quark4 Message-ID: Dear Xdata users I am assembling a document in Quark with data imported through Xdata. I would like the data to automatically detect when an 'entry' will be split over to the next column and consequently force that complete 'entry' to the next column. Each 'entry' has more than one style sheet applied as Xdata imports, including space after and other hard return dependent attributes. This means that each entry cannot constitute a single paragraph so the 'keep lines together' format only works for sections of the 'entry' between one hard return and the next. Therefore, I have to work through the Quark document inserting column breaks manually which takes a time (although all the other automatic formatting saves plenty of time). Can anyone advise a way round this problem? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Barry Abrahams --------------------------- Countdown MB Solutions (Holdings) Ltd 97 Jermyn Street London SW1Y 6JE t: 0870 300 0813 f: 020 7839 0332 w: www.countdowncard.com From emma.glaisher at fourninety.com Wed Oct 18 07:19:02 2006 From: emma.glaisher at fourninety.com (Emma Glaisher) Date: Wed Oct 18 07:19:33 2006 Subject: [EmData] Auto 'force to next column' - Xdata/Quark4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could you use the 'keep with next paragraph' box for all the styles used in an entry except the last? Or isn't it that simple? I wouldn't know how to use XData to control this, but it may be possible to use Applescript to automate the process of inserting the column breaks - I know how frustrating this can be! > > I am assembling a document in Quark with data imported through Xdata. > > I would like the data to automatically detect when an 'entry' will be split > over to the next column and consequently force that complete 'entry' to the > next column. > > Each 'entry' has more than one style sheet applied as Xdata imports, > including space after and other hard return dependent attributes. This means > that each entry cannot constitute a single paragraph so the 'keep lines > together' format only works for sections of the 'entry' between one hard > return and the next. > > Therefore, I have to work through the Quark document inserting column breaks > manually which takes a time (although all the other automatic formatting > saves plenty of time). > > Can anyone advise a way round this problem? From cdey at bellind.com Wed Oct 18 08:19:45 2006 From: cdey at bellind.com (Cindy Dey) Date: Wed Oct 18 08:20:32 2006 Subject: [EmData] Auto 'force to next column' - Xdata/Quark4 Message-ID: I also have data that needs to be kept together in one column (or split appropriately) and our XData prototype is set up with the "keep with next paragraph" box checked. It helps most of the time, but it also causes some problems. If you have too many entries in a row with that setting on (so that there is more than will fit on a column/page) you will get a "Your text has overflowed..." error and you're left with a blank box with the red overflow indicator. Depending on your data, this may not be a problem for you so checking the box may be a good option. -----Original Message----- From: data-users-bounces@emsoftware.com [mailto:data-users-bounces@emsoftware.com] On Behalf Of Emma Glaisher Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:19 AM To: Barry Abrahams; data-users@emsoftware.com Subject: Re: [EmData] Auto 'force to next column' - Xdata/Quark4 Could you use the 'keep with next paragraph' box for all the styles used in an entry except the last? Or isn't it that simple? I wouldn't know how to use XData to control this, but it may be possible to use Applescript to automate the process of inserting the column breaks - I know how frustrating this can be! > > I am assembling a document in Quark with data imported through Xdata. > > I would like the data to automatically detect when an 'entry' will be split > over to the next column and consequently force that complete 'entry' to the > next column. > > Each 'entry' has more than one style sheet applied as Xdata imports, > including space after and other hard return dependent attributes. This means > that each entry cannot constitute a single paragraph so the 'keep lines > together' format only works for sections of the 'entry' between one hard > return and the next. > > Therefore, I have to work through the Quark document inserting column breaks > manually which takes a time (although all the other automatic formatting > saves plenty of time). > > Can anyone advise a way round this problem? _______________________________________________ Data-users mailing list Data-users@emsoftware.com http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users From support at emsoftware.com Wed Oct 18 17:15:10 2006 From: support at emsoftware.com (Em Software Support) Date: Wed Oct 18 17:15:32 2006 Subject: [EmData] Auto 'force to next column' - Xdata/Quark4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Barry, This is generally most easily accomplished through a careful application of Keep-with-next-paragraph" and "Keep-lines-together." As one user responded, though, this can be problematic should there be a possibility of a string of records being kept together which exceeds the height of the text box. In this case, you can keep track of space already used, so that you would know how much space was left in the box. Check to see if the next chunk will fit, if so, set it, if not, set a column break and then the next chunk. You would need to read in each entire chunk of data that needs to be kept together, calculating how many lines it would require, and also the height of each of those lines. It's a bit tricky, but definitely do-able. Does this help? Regards, Joe Mathia Em Software Support / support@emsoftware.com / www.emsoftware.com (+1) 740 284 1010, fax (+1) 740 284 1210 On 10/18/06 5:53 AM, "Barry Abrahams" wrote: > Dear Xdata users > > I am assembling a document in Quark with data imported through Xdata. > > I would like the data to automatically detect when an 'entry' will be split > over to the next column and consequently force that complete 'entry' to the > next column. > > Each 'entry' has more than one style sheet applied as Xdata imports, > including space after and other hard return dependent attributes. This means > that each entry cannot constitute a single paragraph so the 'keep lines > together' format only works for sections of the 'entry' between one hard > return and the next. > > Therefore, I have to work through the Quark document inserting column breaks > manually which takes a time (although all the other automatic formatting > saves plenty of time). > > Can anyone advise a way round this problem? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > Thanks > Barry Abrahams > > --------------------------- > Countdown > MB Solutions (Holdings) Ltd > 97 Jermyn Street > London > SW1Y 6JE > t: 0870 300 0813 > f: 020 7839 0332 > w: www.countdowncard.com > > _______________________________________________ > Data-users mailing list > Data-users@emsoftware.com > http://mail.emsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/data-users > >